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Post by Cem on Sept 21, 2007 19:08:48 GMT -5
Yeah, that was very sad. But the whole having Heather there and them being so close so suddenly was really strange and kinda ruined it a bit for me. I think that part of my problem with the Heather storyline is to do with how much I hate how Amy and Ty's relationship went in BtH. And then with them being really close at the begining of AWG and more like a couple than just friends, combined with Ty not even mentioning Heather to Amy, just seems really wrong to me. I liked the horse stuff a lot, it was really good, and overall the book was an improvement, but I just really didn't like how the relationship stuff went and how it was done.
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Post by rainpaint on Sept 22, 2007 13:00:19 GMT -5
*falls to the floor in a faint* Ty has a new girlfriend?  This really doesn't make sense. I think that was one of the things that I found odd about BtH...since when did Ty have time to go out with friends? The only friends of Ty that Lauren Brooke mentioned in the normal, real Heartland books (my new description for #s 1-20; sorry if anyone else disagrees but those were the only ones that made sense...the only ones that didn't make me angry/upset) were Pete, Greg, Felix, and Kerry-Ann. *headdesk* Where does he meet this Heather person? Where is the alien that has absconded with the Ty we all know and love? *sigh* I don't know now if I even want to read the book. There's not an epilogue, is there? Not anything that says, "Amy and Ty never get back together...Amy marries Will and Ty marries -" No, I can't even write it. I'm sorry if I'm being over-dramatic. But I loved this series...I lived vicariously through Amy...I could picture everything that was going on and I could really empathize with all the characters, because Lauren Brooke made them so real, so down-to-earth. So, Cem, what redeeming qualities does this book have? Basically, you could outline everything that happens and I would be satisfied without having to read the book. |
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Post by Cem on Sept 22, 2007 15:22:57 GMT -5
*falls to the floor in a faint* Ty has a new girlfriend? This really doesn't make sense. I think that was one of the things that I found odd about BtH...since when did Ty have time to go out with friends? The only friends of Ty that Lauren Brooke mentioned in the normal, real Heartland books (my new description for #s 1-20; sorry if anyone else disagrees but those were the only ones that made sense...the only ones that didn't make me angry/upset) were Pete, Greg, Felix, and Kerry-Ann. I agree that books 1-20 are the real Heartland books and I also found it really strange that Ty is suddenly spending so much time with friends, since when has he had spare time? It actually says in AWG that Ty went on a road trip with his friends for about 2 weeks! Heather is the daughter or niece or something of a guy who is running a logging business up in the hills surrounding Heartland. I think Ty met her when he was out riding. She is now the one working Sundance while Amy's away! They got together in the early summer so they were together for about 6 months before Amy even knew of her! (oh and Amy hasn't dated anyone since her and Ty split) When Amy got home from college her and Ty got close again and it seemed like it was more than friends again, thats what Amy thought and then Ty invites her to a Christmas party with him. At the party she shes Heather, a petite blond girl, kiss Ty and thats how she finds out about her. (Ty didn't mention he was seeing anyone or anything and asked Amy in what seemed to me at least, a more than friends way and yet all he wants with her is friendship?!) And Amy doesn't even get that mad at him, mostly just tells him that he should have told her and gives him the cold shoulder for a short time before they're friends again without any real discussion. Amy and Ty help a woman with a fiery 6 year old mare that the woman wants to use for dressage. They also keep check on a pregnant mare they see out riding. Amy realizes she's really close to giving birth and gets in tries to get in contact with the mares owners. Turns out the owners are on holiday and the person left in charge doesn't know anything about horses but the mare isn't due for ages. Amy figures out the mare is carrying wins and thats why she's so close early. Theres no proper shelter for them in the field so Amy and Ty move them to a spare barn at the logging place (with Heather's permission and help!). They keep a close eye on her and when the labor starts Amy, Ty and Heather are all there and spend the night in the barn (at times all three of them are under the same blankets together!!). Theres a problem with the first foal, the leg is bent back so Amy has to pull it out. The second foal is very weak and Amy knows instantly that he won't make it to dawn so she names him Moonlight. They all wish each other happy Christmas a little while later and Amy and Heather hug and Amy tells her 'Welcome to the team' (!?!?!?!?!). Amy comes to the conclusion that her and Ty have moved on and are just very good friends now, that they'll always be close and work very well together but are only friends. So all the relationship/friendship stuff is still really screwed up, and both Amy and Ty's characters (Ty more than Amy this time actually I think) are still really different. The redeeming qualities? The horses. The equine story lines are much better than in BtH and are given more time and are more realistically handled. The horse stuff in BtH was incredably unbelievable and there was so little of it, there was a great improvement on it in this book. But everything else is still very screwed up. But where as BtH was bad in every way shape and form, the horse stuff is really good so I liked the book more because of it. But I'm still really mad about whats been done to the characters I love so much. I would dearly love to know what happened to the Amy and Ty we all know and love and miss like crazy!!! |
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Post by rainpaint on Sept 24, 2007 16:21:07 GMT -5
I thought about it for a while and I realized I really shouldn't have gotten that upset. They're Lauren Brooke's books and Lauren Brooke's characters, and it doesn't really matter what she does with them as long as I have the first twenty to hold on to! I think she probably made Ty get a new girlfriend because she didn't want to make it seem like it was all Amy's fault that they broke up.
LOL with me, if I can figure how to make something end the way I want it to, I'm okay. So as long as nothing in AWG comes right out and says, "Ty marries Heather and Amy ends up with Will," I'm good. I can still fix it in my head!
I was thinking it over and I guess what really upset me was that there's no way Ty's new relationship could ever compare to his and Amy's. He and Amy went through so much together, and it seems as if Lauren Brooke is just throwing that away. I mean, Ty was there when Marion died, when Heartland was having financial troubles, and with all the issues...and then he meets this new girl when he's out riding? It just seems like every "I love you" and kiss he and Amy ever shared were wasted. I find myself empathizing more with Amy, now, actually (which is terrible because she and Ty were always tied for my favorite characters in the books) because she was the one who said, in Out of the Darkness (which is right after One Day You'll Know, in case anyone could forget!) that she didn't want their relationship to change because she was afraid of what might happen if things didn't work out. Am I making sense? LOL this time I'm not letting rage type for me. This time I'm more saddened than anything else.
But what you said about the horse stuff does give me hope. The parts dealing with horses in BtH were just ridiculous. I think the horse stuff in this book sounds great, if not extremely sad. So, while I will still probably not ever buy AWG, I can hold on to the fact that Heartland is not ruined and I can still make the ending whatever I want to in my mind!
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Post by Cem on Sept 24, 2007 17:28:05 GMT -5
I feel the same as you rainpaint, really sad that Ty seems so serious about this girl, it really seems like a long term thing in AWG. AMy ebven says to Ty that they seem like a really good couple and Ty agrees. But you're right, how can their relationship compare to Amy and Ty's. They went through so much together and it does just seem like Lauren Brooke just kinda threw it all away. Like none of the things they said and promised each other meant anything in the first place. It makes me really sad to think that.
I completely agree with what you say about the horse stuff in BtH too, it was plain stupid, and it gives me a little hope if there are more Heartland books, that it was so much better in AWG. But I will always see the first 20 Heartland books as the real ones, and will always love them. I almost see BtH and AWG as another series just with the same names.
How I want the series to continue (if it does), or how I can see it continuing, is for both Amy and Ty to have serious relationships with other people while she's at college but for them both to be single her last couple of years, get really close again as friends and then for them to realise they they're in love and that they're meant for each other and for them to date through Amy's last year or so before she's home for good. I'm not saying this in a romanticaly soppy obsessed with Amy/Ty way, I do get that its more realistic for them to split whlie shes at college, and I'm actually not completely againt the idea. I just think its been done badly concidering how close they are, and how much they meant to the other, it all seems to happen really quickly. I do though think that Amy and Ty are made for each other and that everything they've been through together will, or should, win out at the end of the day and they sould be together.
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Post by desperation on Sept 28, 2007 15:20:55 GMT -5
hi haven't read the book yet nor have i read all the posts above (i will at some point) the one post that caught my attention was where i read that a girl named heather is ty's new girl friend. makes me mad that they are still apart but i think i'll wait till i've read the book to say anymore because i'm sure i'll have a whole new perspective on it once i've read it.
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Post by rainpaint on Oct 3, 2007 19:46:46 GMT -5
In chatting with one of my reviewers, she mentioned something to the effect that Lauren Brooke hints that Matt still has a thing for Amy in the new book...is there any truth to this, or evidence in the book that would suggest this?
*headdesk* I always liked Matt okay, and I have a great time writing his character in my fanfiction, but I never wanted him and Amy to get together. He just wasn't horse-y enough for me and something about him was just irritating, LOL. Maybe it was the way he kinda threw himself on Amy, unlike Ty, who did it so sweetly and gently. (of course I can never find fault with Ty, at least not in the real Heartland books).
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Post by Cem on Oct 3, 2007 20:10:33 GMT -5
Lol I can't find fault with Ty in the reaj Heartland books either! I really like Matt too but him and Amy together would just be wrong! I didn't think anything in AWG sugested that he still had a thing for her. I think that they're really close friends. Matt obviously cares for her and wants to look out for her but it was in a brotherly way not romantic way. Thats my opinion anyway, anyone else feel free to disagree.
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Post by rainpaint on Oct 4, 2007 17:07:03 GMT -5
I was just curious and a little worried after talking to my friend. As I haven't read AWG and am not planning on it, I just have to go by what other people say.
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Post by Cem on Oct 4, 2007 21:46:11 GMT -5
Fair enough, I can understand you not wanting to read it, particularly after BtH, |I nearly didn't and was very, very anxious as I picked it up about what would happen in it, but curiosity got the better of me and I read it. I wouldn't worry about any possible Matt/Amy stuff, I seriously don't think there's anything there.
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Post by rainpaint on Oct 6, 2007 20:10:08 GMT -5
I wasn't worried...I didn't REALLY think it was true. LOL to me, if I don't read it and don't have it in my house, it doesn't exist.
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Post by desperation on Oct 23, 2007 9:23:38 GMT -5
wish i had your will power to stop reading the special editions.
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Post by horsemystique on Oct 23, 2007 18:18:11 GMT -5
I haven't read the new book yet, just putting that out there. This may be the soap fan inside of me talking, but every great relationship needs a little break. Let me just say this, the longer Ty and Amy are apart, the more stronger they will become as a couple and the sweeter the reunion will be.
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Post by Cem on Oct 23, 2007 18:26:45 GMT -5
Thats what I think too. I'm fine with the idea of them spliting, even for the most or the whole time she's in college. I agree that their relationship would be a lot stronger for it too. And I'm fine with them seeing other people seriously in that time too because I think they'd be stronger for that too. What I don't like is how its been done. The way both Amy and Ty's characters have been changed so much, in such a short space of time. Thats what gets me so upset and angry.
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Post by eaty on Oct 23, 2007 21:17:27 GMT -5
Yeah i agree with almost everything you said Cem but there is something i feel i need to add about the changing so much. Which is truthfully people can change so quickly, i change a lot within a week or two. I have changed a lot in the last year. But yeah now i think of it, it is almost normal how much they changed. But that is just me thinking, so you are welcome to disagree with it whatever i just have been thinking of change a lot because i think i am about to change a lot.
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This really doesn't make sense. I think that was one of the things that I found odd about BtH...since when did Ty have time to go out with friends? The only friends of Ty that Lauren Brooke mentioned in the normal, real Heartland books (my new description for #s 1-20; sorry if anyone else disagrees but those were the only ones that made sense...the only ones that didn't make me angry/upset) were Pete, Greg, Felix, and Kerry-Ann. *headdesk* Where does he meet this Heather person? Where is the alien that has absconded with the Ty we all know and love? 
